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that fight? >> when do you stop doing that. >> can you come up with a budget? paul ryan couldn't come up with one. >> well paul ryan did pass a budget in the house. where we have passed a budget is in the united states senate controlled by democrats for over three years. >> right. >> so what we need, what we need to use the debt ceiling moment as, is a moment to educate the american public about all the deficit spending. the fact that we blew through a $2.1 billion increase in the debt ceiling in just seven months. we blew through it in 17 months. we have got to start bringing, reducing spending reducing the -- >> the debt ceiling is a a technicality. you're talking about the budget, you're talking about federal spending. let me show you a piece of the "wall street journal" and get your comment. they said you can't take a hostage you aren't prepared to shoot. i don't want to ask you about hostages and shooting. i want to ask you a question in a different way. do you understand that the consequence or what the consequences are of the u.s. even technically defaulting on its financial oblig
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